Jerri Marsha

Jerri Green (left) and Marsha Blackburn (right) are vying to become Tennessee's next governor.

With Election Day on Tuesday, the Nashville Post talked about Tennessee’s economic development with the Republican and Democratic candidates racing to become Tennessee’s next governor. The politicians dove deep into the industry sectors powering the state, from the agricultural backbone to new emerging technologies. They also addressed workforce development and concerns about support for local businesses. Click on the topics below or scroll through to read each one.

These interviews have been edited for length and clarity.

Jerri Green Marsha Blackburn

Agriculture

Jerri Green

[Farmers are] the ones that are hurting the most right now under Trump's endless war in Iran with tariffs, with his immigration policy, the price of diesel.

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I meet too many farmers who are going to go bankrupt and lose their sixth-generation farms. … When I think particularly about agriculture, we've got to invest in rural infrastructure and rural broadband. We've got to make sure that we're stepping in when the federal government isn't. … I don't pretend to be an expert on farms or farmers at all. I mean, my family we’re small business owners, and we're not in the agriculture industry, so I definitely would lean on and listen to the experts. I'll tell you what I think in my experience will help me is my time both as deputy chief of staff and senior policy advisor to a county mayor in the executive branch, which means I've worked on about six county budgets in the largest county in our state. As well as my time on the Memphis City Council, where I've worked on, now in my fourth budget on the Memphis City Council, again, being able to look at where we're spending, where we're not spending, where there's waste, fraud, and abuse, and how to allocate our money better to help the people who are in the most need.

Marsha Blackburn

I like what Commissioner Holt is doing around Mission Top 10, as he calls it — this is being in the top 10 of the states for our exports, and looking not only at soy and cotton and but row crops and cattle and dairy products, looking holistically at that.

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And we've talked some about a concept that I want to work on, and I've talked with Keith Carver, who runs the [University of Tennessee] Ag Institute, and utilizing expertise and putting a farmer right next to a researcher or a specialist in an area to help solve a problem that they have. It may be irrigation, or it may be fertilization, or it may be market access, or it may be exports, or it may be storage. If you want to increase the price and increase your yield, these are some of the problems that you need to help the farmer, somebody that's in production agriculture, solve those problems. And we had worked on a program with the military, … It's called the Pathfinder program, and the pilot project for that was over at Vanderbilt, and very successful. And now this is something that has grown to be nationwide. But what we looked at with Pathfinder was taking an active duty service member working with an engineer at Vanderbilt to solve a problem of the warfighter, the infantryman, and they developed an exoskeletal system type suit for heavy loads and helping balancing those loads. But bringing that type of concept into production for agriculture, where you can help solve the problems before they become a major problem, and then that solution many times is something that is scalable, and it is something that can be utilized broad-based. …

I had been in touch with Commissioner Holt recently when Chairman Xi was here for his visit, and we were talking about soybean exports and having China meet their quotas, and they're not there yet, but they're better than they were last year. And then what we've seen, and what the commissioner is watching, is the price that is coming in on that bushel of soybeans, and there's a little bit of an uptick in that price, which is a good thing because they've got to get to a certain mark in order to make a profit, and we want to see them hit that mark.

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Technology

Jerri Green

Look, I have three young children. My kids are nine, 15, and 16, so I care about this in a very deep way.

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Tech industries are working hard for us to not regulate them properly. So the first thing I would do would not be accepting money from any of their lobbyists or have their lobbyists be helping me write legislation, because I know they're not in it for the safety of our children. A lot of this is going to have to come out of the federal government, though. We can continue to push it here on the state level, but it's going to be incredibly hard without federal support. … Social media is a deep concern for me, especially raising a teenage daughter because it has been proven over and over again to cause so many mental health issues. But again, I don't know that we have the power to legislate our way out of it as a state. I'm happy to support legislation where we can protect our children. I'm happy to support legislation where there are things I think we can put in around just AI in general with data centers if they are going to if they're going to start using AI and you reduce your workforce by 25 people, then you either have to replace those jobs, or you have to pay a fee to the government. I think that's the way we actually help people stay employed. But protecting our children online is a huge issue, and I'm not sure that there are state regulations that are going to be able to actually stop that.

Marsha Blackburn

Going back to 2011, when I chaired the first online privacy task force and started working on this issue, the deeper I dug into it, you realize the growth potential that was there and the necessity to pass a federally preemptive online safety standard, privacy standard, so that everybody would be able to preserve their right to privacy in the virtual space.

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One of the concerns I have now is the way big tech has proven they cannot monitor themselves or police themselves or regulate themselves, and it is going to take Congress stepping in to do this. One of the obstacles has been the amount of money that big tech has spent trying to fight people like me, Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Connecticut), Sen. Peter Welch (D-Vermont), which they have spent tens of millions of dollars on that, but you do need that federal privacy standard as I laid out for the White House. Look, if you want to win the AI race, and we all do, and we want our nation to be number one in AI, you've got to put some protections in place. You have to protect children in the virtual space, and you have to have a duty of care, a safety standard in the virtual space. The virtual space is the only industrial sector that does not have a safety standard. You have it for cars, for hair dryers, for bottles of water. You have it for the plastic, but you don't have it in the virtual space, and it makes no sense. So we have good bipartisan support on that. We're going to continue to push the Kids Online Safety Act federally. We're pushing the No Fakes Act that would protect your everybody's name, image, likeness, and voice in the age of AI, we are. I have been pushing federally for a ratepayer protection pledge, so that people know their utility costs are not going to escalate, and we want them to have that assurance now, because the federal government, because Congress has not been able to pass any of these provisions, the states have stepped in. So I would imagine Tennessee would be the most vigorous state in putting these protections in place. And I'm very grateful that our attorney general is someone who has been very aggressive in getting these cases to court.

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Data Centers

Jerri Green

I've called for a pause on data centers until we can get the laws around them right.

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They can potentially cost more jobs than bring in the jobs, on top of the environmental concerns, so we've got to make sure the communities are actually benefiting. I know, for example, in Memphis, Brock is being rented out to Anthropic for $1.2 billion a month, while the city of Memphis only receives $15 million in taxes, and that's not an equal share, especially when considering they're being impacted directly with our air and our water and noise pollution. …

I have not come to a community yet that says I want this in my backyard, and I have made over 220 stops. I talk about it everywhere I go. It's a question that comes up at almost every meet and greet or town hall or forum that we have, and I've been doing this for over a year now, and I have yet to meet a community that says we really want you here in our backyard because they see like the harm that we're talking about is the harm of our air and our water, our environment, things that are just too precious for us to sell out for. And they also know that the whole point of AI is to eventually replace our jobs. Are there good things that are going to come out of these industries? Sure. Maybe we'll get to cures for diseases quicker, right? Because the computers can run the case studies faster. I don't know, but in the meantime, we've got to put a pause in and put these laws in place so that we protect people's jobs and protect our environment. I know in South Memphis they are sick of the environmental racism. I know in McMinnville they don't want them taking their water. I mean, truly across the state, I have heard nothing but pushback, and that is from Republicans and Democrats alike.

Marsha Blackburn

There are [communities that want data centers]. I am not going to to name a county mayor that is looking for these. I'm sure others can tell you.

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There are mayors who are looking to recruit these. They have space, they have utilities, they have water. They have empty places in their industrial parks, and they would love to have a data center because it is construction jobs, but it's also solid ongoing skilled labor jobs. Those are the full-time jobs. Yeah, and so yes, there are some. You know, here in Brentwood, there is a data center that's been on Franklin Road for about 50 years, and it's just the other side of the railroad tracks from here, basically, and no one's ever really, really complained about it. But here's what I do think: it's going to be up to local communities, just like it was when factories were coming in and people were putting zoning in place. It'll be up to them to decide if they're going to want them. I do think the state has a role to play. I do think we need to pass a ratepayer protection act so that people know if they live in a county that is going to be recruiting data centers that their utility rates are not going to go up. I do think that the state has a role to play when it comes to some environmental protection, noise abatement. There should be some standards, just as there are for factories, and because data centers are the 21st century factory. I do know that people do not want a federal office of data centers, and they don't want the federal government coming down and telling them what they have to do or can't do. I do know that. But there will be some communities that go for them and there will be some who are going to say no we we don't want to go for that.

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Economic Development

Jerri Green

I just want to make sure that while we welcome business, while we welcome innovation, that we don't do it on the backs of the people who actually do the work.

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So that's where my priority remains. And again, I think if we build a state that families want to move to, that families feel like they can thrive in, businesses will continue to come here. … I think that we really need to focus more back on the mom-and-pop shops — that we need to think more about our small businesses. We need to talk about women-owned, minority-owned, veteran-owned businesses and how we can incentivize them. My parents are small business owners in very different industries, so it is important that we help those people who are staying here. That are investing back in their communities, whether that is through tax incentives — like I would love to waive the fees for veterans when they open up their small businesses. That's part of my plan and a way to help veterans. Because all too often, like, let's take the Starbucks example, right? A billion-dollar company is getting a giant tax break to come here … and we're not actually going to benefit in any measurable way the people who live and work in Tennessee already. So, what would it look like instead of giving them an incentive and a big break to give it to everyday people who are opening restaurants, who run car dealerships, who are starting hair salons, like whatever it is, that's the thing that is their heart's desire — what they want to see in Tennessee. What if we were doing that instead? And I would like to see a Tennessee that supports Tennesseans and supports small business owners more than giant corporations that are already making billions of dollars.

Marsha Blackburn

One of the things I really think we need to do is look at the requirements, the compliance requirements on businesses, and I have heard this from one end of the state to the other.

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As we modernize the way the state delivers services, and if somebody has [franchise and excise] compliance, insurance compliance, licensure compliance, etc. They want to have their own dashboard with the state, and that really is a great idea. And that way, they can have everything in one spot that they need for complying with state laws and regulations, and that would make it simple. Also, it would be a way for them to track grants that are going to be made available through the state and look at what they can find through the federal grants that may be able. It's also a way for them to follow contract opportunities with the state. And one thing that I've heard across the state is I've talked with Tennesseans is they'll say, “Marsha, if somebody is coming in. We want to be in their supply chain. We want to be a vendor. We want to contract with them.” I had somebody in one of the meetings we were doing. He talked about a construction project that was a state construction project, and he had bid; his bid wasn't taken, but he had heard that a lot of the workers were from out of state. So he just went over and looked at the tags on the vehicles that were there and the number that were out of state, and for me, that says let's make certain we think Tennessee first on this when we're talking about these contracts. Let's look at our businesses first. This week we also had somebody; they were talking to me, it was a service that the state had contracted with, and they had bid. Their bid wasn't taken. They said it's not sour grapes, but it frustrated them that it was an out-of-state company that got that contract. So they want to be a part of the game. In Tennessee, people like to participate in what we've got going on. They step up to serve on boards and commissions, and they step up to support their community. They want to be able to step up and be a part of being a supplier to the government, of bidding on these contracts, of having the opportunity to do that, and that has been mentioned repeatedly. I want Tennesseans to be at the front of the line.

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Workforce Development

Jerri Green

I think all of these rebates, these incentives, are tied generally just to a number of jobs, and we need to start being more specific — a number of jobs for Tennessee residents, a number of jobs that pay a living wage.

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We can't just say, "Come here and bring the jobs you already have," right? We need to talk about community benefits. If you're a giant corporation like FedEx, honestly, they should be giving back, right? So, when we start making these agreements, we just have to make them more people-friendly, and instead of just always, it feels like we're just begging, please come here, please come here. And other states do it. There are other models out there. Industries will come here, even if you say, "I want you to come here, and I want you to make sure that your workforce is taken care of, so that we can have good schools and clean water." Right? I think that's how you start regulating that in a way that is not one-sided. Right now, it's very one-sided, very pro-corporation. …

On my platform, my education policies are probably we have the most things listed there, and in it includes technical education assistance. It talks about supporting specifically union apprenticeships, making sure that not only are you going to be a welder, but that you'll be able to get a good union job, so that you can actually have a career with good pay and with benefits, so I think [technical education is] a really vital piece of the puzzle. And we can't assume that everybody's going to go to college. We can't assume that all work doesn't have value. We absolutely need to make sure that we are working on the various industries, and I think unions are a really great pathway in apprenticeships through them. Electrical workers, you know, the carpenters' trades, plumbing. There's so many different places where kids getting out of school can actually make a great career out of it. But we've got to make sure that we are giving them those skills.

Marsha Blackburn

One of the things we are so fortunate to have here in this state is a very diversified economy, and I do believe that is something that has come about from years of work and leadership at the local and state level that has encouraged your counties and your communities and your regions to move forward in what worked for them … and I'm very hopeful for where we can go with some of these different sectors and these areas of expertise that we have developed. …

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The work in logistics that is being done around what you've got in Shelby County with Memphis and with the Port of Memphis with FedEx, with all the Class One railroads being there, to look at how you develop those intermodal systems and how you innovate in transportation, in weight, in loads, in movements, and I talked to somebody from FedEx for a few minutes yesterday, and they were talking about how they're utilizing quantum and AI in order to achieve efficiencies. That's good for Tennessee; that is good for the whole country. That is good for anybody who is trying to move goods and commodities from place to place. So that is an innovation center that we have in the west end of the state. …

Of course, you've got all of the healthcare innovation, the financial services innovation that is being done here. The work with the music industry, entertainment industry, much of this is technology based. The AI that is used for healthcare, so that you can do remote monitoring for healthcare, be able to to push forward with disease analysis, predictive diagnoses, medical trends. … Another growth area for us. You go to Chattanooga, and of course they have the first commercially available quantum network. … And how exciting for Chattanooga to be able to say we've got this quantum network, we've got space at UTC and at the Vanderbilt Quantum Institute, which is housed in Chattanooga. Come test bed with us. Bring your technologies here, and by the way, we want you to stay and grow your company here again. … )

I appreciate the excellent work that has been done with the [Tennessee College of Applied Technologies] system and with our community colleges. I do think that they have stepped up in such a positive way to build career paths for people. I was out at Ball State one day this week with Chancellor [Flora] Tidings and looking at some of the radiology, sonography, the different programs they have. On there, there's a nurse tech program. There is a music production program that is going on there. These are certification programs. Some of them can be degrees that you can then build on. But expanding these opportunities — it was interesting, one of the programs I stepped into at Ball State, there were so many people in this that had a four-year degree that had then come back to take this specialized course so that they could go into the workforce. Opening those doors of opportunity, we should be the state of opportunity because we've got a great, healthy economy. … I appreciate that we're going to be able to build on top of this foundation that they have laid because the courses that we have. One of the things on TCATS that I'm looking at, like some of the programs are only offered in certain TCATs, and we'll hear from students that they want to take that program, but housing is a problem. So, looking at how we provide student housing for these programs, many of them are like six-month or eight-month programs, and so people can't go lease somewhere, and the housing is an issue. So we do need to address that.

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Affordability

Jerri Green

People are crying in my arms every day. They can't afford groceries. They can't afford gas. It's outrageous.

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Utility bills are going up. The cost of medicine, with whether it is their ACA deductibles doubling, or just the cost of insulin, people really are having a hard time making it out here. Especially when our minimum wage is still $7.25 an hour. Housing in a lot of places is really unaffordable. Child care is more expensive than college in the state of Tennessee. Just at every turn, they're being hit. So I think what we have to do is start helping the people most in need with some very basic things. So, for example, we can eliminate the grocery tax if we just don't give giant corporations the $1.5 billion dollar rebate that Bill Lee did last year. We can freeze the gas tax. Georgia has done it. The state has not gone bankrupt. They're still repairing their roads. We can do it here in Tennessee. We had a $1.2 billion dollar surplus last year. We can absorb that cost while people are suffering. We can use our [Temporary Assistance for Needy Families] funds to clear the housing voucher list, to clear the child care voucher list, to pay off medical debt. I just did it in Memphis. We took $159,000, and we were able to work with undue medical debt, turned that into $17 million of debt erased for over 12,000 Memphians. Imagine what we could do with $10 million of the TANF funds for Tennesseans who are being bankrupted because of medical bills. And then I think we need to be prepared to step up and step in when the federal government messes things up. So, like when they froze SNAP benefits, right? We should be able to step up and provide food vouchers that a single mom can use at a farmer's market. That farmer can then go get his tractor repaired at the local repair shop. That repairman can take his wife out to their favorite pizza place, and the pizza shop owner can buy his kid a used car at the local dealership. And like that's how the economy grows because we have helped the person most in need. I looked at that $1.2 billion dollar surplus that we had this year, especially after Trump started saying that he was going to give everybody $5,000 election bribe checks, and I said if I took out the top 10 percent of earners in Tennessee, and I wanted to know what the average family in Tennessee could get back if we just returned that money to them instead of hoarding it. The average Tennessee family would get about $1,000 back. Now imagine what that could do to stimulate our economy if every Tennessee household, except for the top 10 percent of earners, had $1,000 to put back in the economy; imagine what they could do for people who are struggling. You know, they’re making decisions about: Am I going to cut my medicine in half, or am I going to pay for childcare this week? So we have the money. It's just about better budgeting and budgeting in ways that actually help people.

Marsha Blackburn

Gas, groceries, costs are too high, and we've got to get costs down.

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One of the things we can do, and I'm going to do right off the bat, is a Tennessee [Department of Government Efficiency]. This is something I've talked about since I started my campaign, is taking that red marker and going through the budget, we've had so many legislators who have gotten on board with this. What we need to do is figure out where there are positions that are vacant that should be recalled, programs that have outlived their usefulness that we need to put a red line through. We need to review contracting. There are some contracts that are just on autopilot post-COVID, and then we need to look at where the state is making grants or giving grants to nonprofits. Look at the financials of those nonprofits and make certain they're doing good. Let's see where we're wasting money, and then kind of clean the budget up, and then that will be a way to make certain that we're not raising taxes because, of course, keeping taxes low is something that I say is an imperative. Then, when it comes to housing, we'll pass Amendment Two, never a state property tax-that's good for us because that helps us with rising wages and companies that want to compete to come into Tennessee, which is where it ought to be. When you talk about economic development, they should be competing to come to us. So we're going to flip that. Then, also at the state level, we should look at simplified permitting, simplified regulation. I was actually giving talking with a group yesterday, and I said I was surprised when I started doing a deep dive on workforce housing for essential workers. Our teachers and healthcare workers and law enforcement. I was surprised that 26 percent of the cost of a new build is permitting and regulation. And this guy raised his hand. He's on the home builders board, and he said, "Marsha, it's 27 and a half percent.” So he corrected me, and but think about if we can get that cost down.

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